1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000 You know, I've been around for a while. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Might some interesting people. 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Done some crazy things. 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,000 See, you just might think that there's not much 5 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,000 that can take me by surprise. 6 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,000 You'd be wrong. 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,000 A world is full of stories, 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,000 science, and things that amaze and confound 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,000 the world. 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Every single day, incredible mystery is that 11 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,000 keep me awake at night, some I can answer. 12 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Oh, there's just... 13 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,000 defy logic. 14 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,000 Does the human mind possess powers 15 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,000 beyond our comprehension? 16 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,000 A housewife's psychic vision helps crack 17 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,000 a major murder case. 18 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,000 I never wanted to be so well in the light. 19 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:54,000 Can crimes be solved with psychic power? 20 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,000 A Californian man remembers every moment 21 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,000 from every day of his life. 22 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,000 I can remember something so clearly 23 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,000 and then I go, wow, that was 41 years ago. 24 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Is total recall possible? 25 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,000 And a faith healer cures terminal disease 26 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,000 with prayer. 27 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,000 Is it a miracle or an amazing display 28 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,000 of mind over matter? 29 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,000 If this was just possible, 30 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,000 you would find a handful of stories. 31 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,000 You don't, you have thousands. 32 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,000 Yeah. 33 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,000 It's a weird world. 34 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000 And I love it. 35 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,000 The human brain. 36 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,000 It's the most complex advance, 37 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,000 and many would say, beautiful thing in nature. 38 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,000 But how much do we know about it? 39 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,000 Well, here are some facts for you. 40 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,000 Did you know that it can process 41 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 over 70,000 thoughts a day? 42 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,000 This is actually a cow brain, 43 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,000 so it's more like seven thoughts. 44 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,000 Or that it has over 10,000 miles of blood vessels? 45 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,000 Could you put it back, please? 46 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,000 I need that. 47 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,000 Or that it doesn't feel pain. 48 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,000 Ouch, that hurts. 49 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,000 But these amazing abilities are really only the tip of the iceberg. 50 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,000 The big question is, what don't we know about this incredible stuff? 51 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,000 What else can it do? 52 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,000 This is so great. 53 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,000 Your brain generates between 10 and 23 watts of power, 54 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,000 enough energy to power a light bulb. 55 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,000 Impressive, huh? 56 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,000 This is pathetic. 57 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,000 Weird or what? 58 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,000 1980, Los Angeles, California. 59 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,000 A massive police search grips the small, suburban community 60 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,000 of local housewife, Ed Smith. 61 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:13,000 I think we were a little edgy because having things like that happen 62 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,000 wasn't the everyday practice. 63 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,000 A hospital nurse is missing and feared dead. 64 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:24,000 Astoundingly, Ed was about to find herself at the center of the investigation 65 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,000 in the most bizarre way. 66 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,000 I made it a point to listen to the news during the day 67 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,000 about this nurse missing. 68 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:39,000 And the news said they were making a house-to-house search. 69 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,000 At the moment that they said house-to-house search, 70 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,000 everything went haywire. 71 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,000 It was like I was seeing a movie. 72 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,000 I began to see this area. 73 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,000 I saw a trail, I saw a dirt path. 74 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,000 I saw something white through the bushes, 75 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,000 and I knew where it was. 76 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,000 For the first time in her life, Ed has had a psychic vision. 77 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,000 She's convinced she knows where the nurse is. 78 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,000 She's terrified and confused. 79 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,000 I didn't know what to think of it. 80 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,000 There's some things that you just can't explain away. 81 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,000 I'm arguing with myself. 82 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,000 Should I go tell the police? 83 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,000 They're gonna think I'm crazy. 84 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,000 What if she's there? 85 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,000 And she needs help. 86 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,000 Ed decides to drive to where she believes the nurse to be 87 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,000 a nearby canyon. 88 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Just being there seems to increase her newfound psychic abilities. 89 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:49,000 I see a big spray of dirt and tire marks. 90 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,000 And I laid my hands into the tire prints. 91 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,000 And as soon as I did, I could feel trauma. 92 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,000 I mean bad. 93 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,000 By then, my heart is just fluttering. 94 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,000 And I'm thinking, all I want to do is get out of here. 95 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:15,000 Fighting or fear, Edda follows her instinct. 96 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,000 Down the embankment, out the dirt path, 97 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,000 I see something. 98 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,000 There was white nurse's shoes. 99 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,000 And I said, oh my God, it's her. 100 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,000 I never wanted to be so wrong in my life. 101 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,000 All I could think of is run, get out of here, get to the police. 102 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,000 When the police arrive, Edda's in for a huge shock. 103 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Instead of thanking her, they're convinced 104 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,000 she must have had something to do with the murder. 105 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,000 To her horror, she's arrested. 106 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,000 It was shocking. 107 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,000 I tried to open the cry anymore. 108 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:07,000 Strip searched me, put me in a cell by myself. 109 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,000 It was a nightmare. 110 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,000 After four days behind bars, Edda is finally released. 111 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,000 Soon after, the killers through local men 112 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:23,000 are arrested and convicted of rape and murder. 113 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,000 Edda sues the police for false arrest 114 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,000 and after six years of legal battles, she wins. 115 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:36,000 But even now, Edda struggles to make sense of the whole thing. 116 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,000 What did Edda Smith experience that day? 117 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,000 Did she have a genuine psychic vision? 118 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,000 Remarkably, many psychic detectives claim to solve crimes 119 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,000 by means of mysterious insights. 120 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,000 Is this possible? 121 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,000 Joe Nicol researches paranormal claims. 122 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,000 He believes there's no such thing as psychic vision 123 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,000 or extrasensory perception. 124 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:11,000 The history of ESP has been a history of self-deception, 125 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,000 deception, wishful thinking, playing games with statistics, 126 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,000 and not one person has been able to do anything meaningful. 127 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,000 But if psychic ability doesn't exist, 128 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,000 how do psychic detectives achieve such amazing results? 129 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,000 The typical psychic engages in something we call retrofitting 130 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,000 or after-the-fact matching. 131 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,000 You throw out some so-called clues. 132 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,000 I'm getting water. I see a tall structure. 133 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,000 And then the next thing you know, search party found the remains, 134 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,000 and in comes the psychic saying, you know, I mentioned water 135 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:50,000 and that body was found near a creek or a pond or a riverside drive 136 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,000 or a water tower. 137 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,000 Remember the tall structure I mentioned? 138 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,000 I didn't get by with this. 139 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,000 Did Eddysmith just make a lucky guess? 140 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,000 The average psychic detective is no use to police. 141 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,000 In my opinion, they provide no real evidence. 142 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,000 They create false hope. 143 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,000 And they have done it at the expense of promoting ignorance 144 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,000 and superstition in our society 145 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:18,000 and driven unsuspecting people into the clutches of fortune tellers 146 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,000 and other people who are engaging in magical thinking 147 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,000 rather than rational thinking. 148 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:32,000 I see a long life full of riches 149 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:37,000 and a man named Stephen. Does that ring a bell? 150 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,000 You know, many of us have been to palm readers, fortune tellers, 151 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,000 people who claim to have amazing psychic abilities 152 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,000 who are really nothing but fakes. 153 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,000 Eddysmith wasn't someone performing cheap tricks. 154 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,000 She saw something in her mind 155 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,000 even the police couldn't understand. 156 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,000 Would she do it just for fame and fortune? 157 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:06,000 Or is she truly psychic? 158 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,000 And no Stephen, what about Harry? 159 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,000 A Los Angeles woman has a strange and sudden visit 160 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,000 which helps police solve a murder. 161 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,000 Was it a genuine psychic phenomenon? 162 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,000 Popular psychic, Tana Hoy, thinks so. 163 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,000 When I first read out a story, 164 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,000 my reaction that I had was, 165 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,000 wow, this woman had a spontaneous psychic memory. 166 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,000 I believe that the spirit was drawing her, 167 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,000 pulling her to go and find her body. 168 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,000 If anyone can testify to how important psychic visions 169 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,000 can be to the police at Hoy, 170 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,000 he's helped investigators solve a double homicide 171 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:56,000 and while on live radio, predicted a terrorist attack 172 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:01,000 90 minutes before the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995. 173 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,000 A person can hear a word, a phrase, 174 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,000 and it will awaken a psychic memory 175 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,000 or a psychic vision within that person. 176 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,000 She's awakened this vision 177 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,000 and she saw the canyon where the body was. 178 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,000 That's an example of clairvoyant experience, clear scene. 179 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,000 And when she placed her hand in the tire tracks, 180 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,000 she was making a direct connection 181 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,000 with the energy imprint of the vehicle. 182 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,000 But if Edda's vision was for real, 183 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,000 why didn't the police believe her? 184 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,000 We're going back to 1980. 185 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,000 So back then we didn't have the awareness of psychics 186 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,000 that we have today. 187 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,000 We see TV shows and we see psychics on talk shows. 188 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,000 I don't feel that she would have been arrested today. 189 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,000 So given their remarkable successes, 190 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,000 should detectives add psychics to the force? 191 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,000 A lot of psychics, when they work with police departments, 192 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,000 they don't do it for publicity. 193 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,000 They do it to help and give back. 194 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,000 So it happens a lot more than we ever hear about. 195 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,000 But did Edda Smith really see something with her mind? 196 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,000 Psychology professor Tim Moore thinks not. 197 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:19,000 I think Edda may have overheard information in the community 198 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,000 without fully processing it at the time that she acquired it, 199 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,000 but later on it registered and prompted her to go to the police. 200 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,000 Moore believed something in Edda's unconscious memory 201 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,000 triggered what she thought was a psychic vision. 202 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,000 Psychologists call it source misattribution. 203 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,000 Source misattribution, you have information 204 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,000 to which you falsely attribute having acquired 205 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:49,000 as a result of experience when in fact it's been suggested to you 206 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,000 or provided to you by someone else. 207 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Edda Smith wasn't the killer, 208 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,000 so how could she have any idea where the body was? 209 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,000 My understanding is that the actual culprits were blabbermouths 210 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:06,000 and they talked about what they had done in their neighborhood, 211 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,000 which was her neighborhood. 212 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,000 Could Edda's psychic vision be mistaken for random information 213 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,000 she had nothing to do with? 214 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,000 If Edda is not concentrating on the information at the time 215 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,000 that she's hearing it, because it's not the focus of her attention, 216 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,000 the information nevertheless gets in, 217 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,000 but she doesn't remember the source. 218 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,000 At some later date she hears information on the news 219 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,000 that the police are looking for a missing body. 220 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,000 She recollects somewhat hazyly 221 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:42,000 or without appreciating how she came by that information. 222 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,000 But how could Edda have known the exact location of the body, 223 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,000 the precise road in the right canyon? 224 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,000 I believe she's familiar with the area, 225 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:57,000 so the original information could easily have triggered a cognitive map. 226 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,000 The canyon roads there, for example, are pretty distinctive. 227 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,000 She may have intuited just on the basis of what she overheard 228 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,000 where the body probably was. 229 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,000 I mean, that's not a stretch. 230 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,000 Did the unexpected recall of a hidden memory lead Edda to the body? 231 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,000 Or did she experience a genuine psychic event 232 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,000 which helped solve a case the police could not? 233 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:25,000 Whatever the truth, the story is most definitely weird. 234 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,000 Or what? 235 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,000 You know, the human brain has been evolving for... 236 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,000 Hold it. How long has it been evolving? 237 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,000 2.5 million years. 238 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,000 903B, take 2, marker. 239 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,000 Action. 240 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,000 You know, the human brain has been evolving for 2.5 million years, 241 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,000 but perhaps one of the greatest things that sets us apart from any other creature 242 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,000 is the power... 243 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,000 Oh, damn. 244 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,000 903B, take 3, marker. 245 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,000 And action. 246 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,000 You know, the human brain has been evolving for 2.5 million years, 247 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,000 but perhaps one of the greatest things that sets us apart from any other creature 248 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,000 is the power of our memory. 249 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,000 Yay! 250 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,000 Oh, come on. 251 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,000 Bring my keys. 252 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,000 Damn. 253 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,000 Oh, wow. 254 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,000 They say that everyone has a special talent. 255 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,000 And in Bob Petrell's case, that's certainly true. 256 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,000 But he possesses something so special, 257 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,000 it sets him apart from the rest of humankind. 258 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,000 The reaction kind of varies. 259 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,000 A lot of people are amazed. 260 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,000 A lot of people call him a phenomenon of strange and unusual. 261 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:57,000 Even old friends are still shocked when they see Bob's power on display. 262 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,000 Oh, very good. Very good. 263 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,000 May 18th, 1980. 264 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,000 Oh, that's the Smiles St. Helens. 265 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,000 Nerve gas attack in Tokyo subway. 266 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,000 March 20th, 1995. 267 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,000 It's a Diana's wedding. 268 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,000 July 29th, you want this on Wednesday. 269 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:18,000 It may seem that Bob just has a gift for a member in trivia, 270 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,000 but there's much more to his incredible talent. 271 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,000 He can remember nearly every single moment 272 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,000 from every single day of his life. 273 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,000 I threw a bowl of soup on the ceiling on March 13th, 1975. 274 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,000 Sometimes they think you're lying, they think you're making it up. 275 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,000 But every fact Bob pulls from his mind is correct. 276 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,000 His memory is somehow perfect. 277 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,000 When's my birthday? 278 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,000 November 8th. 279 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,000 What's the year? 280 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,000 68. 281 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,000 What day of the week was it? 282 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,000 Friday. 283 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,000 What were you doing that day? 284 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,000 I was at a football game watching Beaver Falls play Hope Well. 285 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,000 Beaver Falls gonna beat, I think 28 to 7. 286 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,000 We all know our memory is far from complete. 287 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,000 Words, names, stick on the tips of our tongues 288 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,000 to say nothing of the inconsequential details of daily life. 289 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,000 May 1st, let's go back May 1st, 10 years. 290 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,000 Well, May 1st, 91, I was wrapping up a job 291 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,000 at Pacific State University. 292 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,000 That was a Tuesday. 293 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,000 And that was the NFL draft. 294 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,000 Yeah, that's usually gonna be around the end of the day. 295 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,000 Yeah, yeah. 296 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:24,000 And then May 1st, 81, I was house-sitting in Laurel Canyon 297 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,000 for this woman named Autumn Barm. 298 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,000 May 1st, 71, was a Saturday. 299 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,000 Oh, and I was back east visiting. 300 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,000 I went out drinking for the first time as a 21-year-old 301 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,000 in a bar. 302 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,000 It was a Saturday. 303 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,000 You know, and I was, let's see your idea. 304 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,000 Yeah, here it is, pal. I'm 21, you know. 305 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,000 So it was like only three days after my 21st birthday. 306 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,000 Incredibly, Bob is not the only person with a perfect memory. 307 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,000 He is part of an exclusive club. 308 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:51,000 Around 20 people worldwide have what scientists now call 309 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,000 super autobiographical memory, 310 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:58,000 the ability to remember every single day of their lives. 311 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,000 Yeah, the amazing part to me sometimes is I can remember 312 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,000 something so clearly, and then I go, wow, 313 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,000 that was 41 years ago. 314 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,000 I'm not sure how it works. 315 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,000 It came natural to me. 316 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,000 Man with a super memory, they can remember the tiniest detail 317 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,000 from every part of his life. 318 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,000 Now, that's impressive. 319 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,000 But he's not the only one. 320 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,000 You see, I've got some tricks of the trade myself. 321 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,000 For instance, I forgot and I put my phone and 322 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:29,000 to stimulate my memory, I use another phone to call it. 323 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:37,000 And then I listen, and then I simply head towards 324 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,000 the source of the sound, and I should find it in the last place 325 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,000 I was doing something important. 326 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:47,000 Okay, I know it's in here now. 327 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,000 Come on, yeah, no. 328 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:58,000 Ah, you see, it works every time. 329 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,000 Hello? 330 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,000 The ice cream is in the refrigerator. 331 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,000 So what explains Bob Petrellas' incredible gift? 332 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,000 Do the rest of us have this superpower? 333 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,000 We all have this capacity. 334 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,000 California man has an incredible gift. 335 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,000 He is able to remember every detail of every day of his life. 336 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,000 Does he possess a kind of superpower? 337 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,000 When I first heard about this idea, 338 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,000 I thought it did smell right to me. 339 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,000 Gary Marcus is a cognitive scientist. 340 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:37,000 He believes people with super memory might not be so super after all. 341 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,000 I think what's really happening in this syndrome 342 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,000 is that people are really spending a lot of time studying their own lives. 343 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,000 People might try to remember the past because they want to hold on to it. 344 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,000 It's not necessarily voluntary. 345 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,000 Most of us, if we're interested in something, don't obsess over it. 346 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,000 I think one thing that often happens in this syndrome 347 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,000 is that people are particularly interested in the details of their own lives. 348 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,000 Not everybody is, so I think my life is interesting, 349 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,000 but not so interesting that I spend a lot of time thinking about what happened to me in the past. 350 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,000 So a super memory just a form of obsession? 351 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:12,000 To find out, Marcus spent time with other people who also claim they haven't. 352 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,000 I think that people who have studied this phenomena 353 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,000 have focused on what the people who have the phenomena are good at, 354 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,000 but with the person that I tested that had this kind of syndrome. 355 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,000 I think I focused on some things that I thought they might be bad at and indeed were. 356 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,000 When given standard memory test life recalling lists of words, 357 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:36,000 Marcus found people with so-called super memory did no better than anyone else. 358 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:42,000 So has Bob simply chosen to obsessively memorize his entire life? 359 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,000 Not everyone is convinced. 360 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:52,000 Dr. James McGaw was the first psychologist to study super memory. 361 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:57,000 The most surprising thing about this ability to me is what it surprises everybody. 362 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,000 The fact that it can be done at all. 363 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,000 After interviewing more than a dozen people with super memory, 364 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,000 he's convinced they're not merely obsessive. 365 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,000 One of our subjects made this very clear. 366 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:13,000 When somebody suggested all that she does is sit around and re-rehears all of her information. 367 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,000 And she said, let me get this straight. 368 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,000 I have a full-time job and I have a life, 369 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,000 and I'll just be sitting around re-rehearsing all of those experiences. 370 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,000 Highly unlikely. 371 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:33,000 McGaw feels that people like Bob are a real phenomenon with memories way, way beyond that of even the best minds. 372 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:39,000 But if it's not an obsession, how else would they remember their lives in such detail? 373 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,000 McGaw is working on an incredible theory. 374 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:50,000 The ability is that we all store all this information about all of our experiences in our brain someplace. 375 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:57,000 We all have this capacity, and they are able to tap this capacity in ways that we can't. 376 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:07,000 It's believed part of the brain called the cardiac nuclei is seven times larger in people with super memory. 377 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,000 Could this somehow explain Bob's gift? 378 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,000 The human brain is capable of doing that. 379 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,000 That tells us that the human brain has this amazing capacity. 380 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,000 There's something really important here, something unique and something important. 381 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:30,000 Do super memorizers have turbocharged brains, or is there another answer to this mystery of the mind? 382 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:36,000 I see the year and I see the month and then I'm accusing it. 383 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:45,000 A man has an amazing ability. He can remember all of us in every moment from every day of his life. But how? 384 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:50,000 Dr. Mary Spiller is a psychologist at the University of East London. 385 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:56,000 She believes super memory could be explained by a medical condition called synesthesia. 386 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:01,000 Synesthesia is probably best thought of as a crossing of the senses. 387 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:08,000 So someone with synesthesia, when they hear music, they may see colours, or when they hear words, they might have tastes. 388 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:14,000 So for example, the word tomorrow might taste like bacon, the word computer might taste like ice cream. 389 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:20,000 The letter F might be a bright pink colour, number five could be a blue colour. 390 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:28,000 And we think that it's probably hereditary conditions, so people with synesthesia typically might have other members of the family. 391 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:33,000 They might also have synesthesia, their father, their grandmother might have it. 392 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,000 Research is currently looking to see what genes are associated with synesthesia. 393 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:42,000 It's an amazing concept, but how could it result in super memory? 394 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:49,000 Dr. Spiller believes people like Bob may have a rare form of the condition called time-space synesthesia. 395 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:57,000 People with time-space synesthesia see time. For example, someone may think of the months of the year as being located in a circle around their body. 396 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:04,000 So January could be here, and then February, March, April, May, and so on, around their body. 397 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,000 And this can work for years as well. 398 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:12,000 Could the ability to see time allow people to keep their memories perfectly organised? 399 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:19,000 If you ask the synesthesia, where is this particular Monday in 1978, they always know where in space that moment in time is. 400 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,000 Almost as if they're looking it up in a filing cabinet. 401 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:28,000 This gives people with time-space synesthesia an advantage when it comes to remembering when things happened. 402 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:33,000 Sure enough, when people with super memory are asked to remember an event, they speak like they're seeing it. 403 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:41,000 When I see where May 1st is, I see the year, and I see the month, and then I get the cues into the day. 404 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:48,000 Could this be proof that Bob and others with super memory have some form of time-space synesthesia? 405 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:55,000 I think it's definitely possible that other individuals with highly superior autobiographical memory could have time-space synesthesia. 406 00:23:55,000 --> 00:24:01,000 Having a 3D sense of time could potentially have huge benefits for someone when storing memories. 407 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:07,000 Does the ability to see time explain Bob's near total recall? 408 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:13,000 Or is it because he has a slightly different brain than the rest of us? 409 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:20,000 Or are people with super memory such fans of their own lives, they can't stand to forget a minute of it? 410 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,000 Weird or what? 411 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,000 I gave him a choice. 412 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:41,000 You know, it was my birthday the other day, as you can see I got some really great presents. 413 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,000 I brought them as with this new fangle package. 414 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,000 It's a miracle, you can get them. 415 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,000 Hang on. 416 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,000 This should do the job. 417 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,000 Yeah! 418 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,000 Oh well, at least I got it open. 419 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,000 But do miracles, even small ones, have a rational explanation? 420 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,000 Or are they gifts from a divine and superior power? 421 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,000 Or are they something else? 422 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:34,000 In 1993, Julie Spahn was living a happy life with her children and husband Greg. 423 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:40,000 But one August night, her life was suddenly ripped apart. 424 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:52,000 We were having a dinner and suddenly Julie sat down and I heard a cracking sound like a broken baseball bat and saw her head fall to the table. 425 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:58,000 In a horrible freak accident, Julie had smashed her head on a shelf behind her seat. 426 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:04,000 And that's the last time I saw my wife for many years as far as the Julie I knew. 427 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:12,000 I fractured the temporal bone in the back of my head, which led to a significant brain bleed. 428 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:19,000 It's a very serious injury. In that moment, Julie's world turned upside down. 429 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,000 For the next 13 years, to put it bluntly, my life was pure hell. 430 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,000 I literally had headaches every single day. 431 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:34,000 I had visual problems. I couldn't walk. I couldn't sleep. 432 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,000 Julie visited some of the best doctors and specialists in the world, but they were unanimous. 433 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:48,000 Julie's brain injury would leave her in excruciating pain for the rest of her life. 434 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:54,000 I looked at my lowest point. Part of me was terrified for my life. 435 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:03,000 Then one afternoon, in 2008, Julie sees a TV show featuring a controversial faith healer. 436 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,000 Immediately, she knows something phenomenal is happening. 437 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:14,000 It was just incredible. I just had a really distinct peace come about me. 438 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,000 And I thought, I really want to go see this man. 439 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:26,000 The faith healer is Ohio-based anesthesiologist Dr. Issam Memmon. 440 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,000 He claims to heal terminal illnesses through prayer. 441 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:36,000 Two months after seeing him on TV, Julie decides to meet him. 442 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:43,000 And when he doctor named me walked in, I started feeling a great deal of warmth in my lower back. 443 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:48,000 And I'm automatically thinking, OK, wait a minute. 444 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,000 What can be happening already? 445 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,000 Could the power of Dr. Nemes prayer really be having an effect on Julie? 446 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,000 The life came back into her eyes and had been gone for all these years. 447 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:10,000 I just saw a total transformation in all aspects of muscle tone and color and warmth and just life. 448 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,000 It was really amazing. 449 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,000 Incredibly, Julie's pain is gone. The headaches disappear. 450 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,000 Her vision comes back. She can move normally again. 451 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,000 I said, I don't think I need this cane anymore. 452 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:28,000 And I proceeded to walk right out to the car and get in the car all by myself, which I couldn't do before. 453 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,000 It was obvious something major had happened. 454 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:38,000 Her doctors can't explain her recovery, but Julie has no doubts. 455 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:44,000 I definitely feel like I received a miracle. There is no other explanation for it. 456 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,000 But Julie is far from alone. 457 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,000 Thousands claim that Nemes prayers have healed her. 458 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,000 The Lord took the pain from me, relieved me of it. 459 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,000 I had my own personal miracle. 460 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:05,000 From cancer to multiple sclerosis, it appears no disease, ailment or condition is too powerful for Nemes healing powers. 461 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:10,000 As word spreads, people travel from all over the world to attend to services. 462 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,000 But what's happening to people like Julie? 463 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,000 Are they really experiencing miracles at the hands of a faith healer? 464 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,000 Or is their recovery an incredible demonstration of the power of the mind? 465 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,000 Gilbert Ross is the medical director of the American Council on Science and Health. 466 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,000 Being a skeptic is part of his job. 467 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:41,000 Nearly because a patient undergoes a miraculous recovery after seeing a faith healer, 468 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:47,000 in no way means that the faith healer had any actual active role in the improvement. 469 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,000 Ross has a more rational explanation. 470 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:56,000 He believes the power of healing comes from the extraordinary power of the human mind. 471 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:03,000 The successful faith healing is entirely the result of the placebo effect. 472 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,000 It's purely dependent upon the patients to believe that the faith healing is effective. 473 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,000 The placebo effect is a recognized medical phenomenon. 474 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,000 People who believe they're getting treated get better. 475 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,000 Incredibly, in some clinical trials, 476 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,000 placebos have proven more effective than surgery. 477 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:34,000 If you give the patient a jar of sugar pills and you encourage them to believe that it's some sort of medication that will help them, 478 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,000 you can provoke a placebo response which may have some actual beneficial effect. 479 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:47,000 Also, you'll be avoiding any potential for side effects or complications from giving the patient any sort of active medication. 480 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,000 Now the downside of that, and there's a very strong case to be made, 481 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,000 is that this is unethical. 482 00:30:54,000 --> 00:31:00,000 That a doctor who gives the patient a medication, including a sugar pill as a placebo, 483 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:08,000 knowing that it's inactive and yet not telling the patient that is lying to the patient. 484 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:15,000 And whatever the good intentions of that act are, it's unethical on its face. 485 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,000 Nobody knows exactly how it is that placebos can be so powerful, 486 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,000 but it's accepted that the mind has awesome healing abilities, 487 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,000 and that just believing in a cure is a powerful medicine. 488 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:32,000 The placebo effect is real in that a certain percentage of patients will feel better just from the intervention. 489 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,000 Is it psychological? Well, of course it's psychological if you're not administering an active ingredient, 490 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:43,000 but that doesn't mean that it's not real and it doesn't mean that it's not biochemical or physiological either. 491 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,000 The psyche is an extremely powerful force, 492 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:56,000 and the brain does indeed manufacture neuro-urineal factors that come into play in the body's metabolism. 493 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:04,000 This is well known. I mean the antidepressant pills, like the serotonin reuptake inhibitors, act on brain chemicals. 494 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:11,000 So we know very well that mood and affect and behavior are to some extent chemical based. 495 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:19,000 So why shouldn't a psychological factor generate chemicals that also help patients to feel better? 496 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,000 So can this phenomena explain Dr. Nemes' success? 497 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,000 Could faith healing be a placebo that cures only because people believe? 498 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:40,000 Patients who have strong beliefs in spirituality, including religion, would be more receptive to all sorts of placebo effects, including faith healing. 499 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:51,000 What it has to do with some kind of ritual and the patient's sincere belief that what they're going through with the faith healer is going to help them. 500 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:58,000 Can the success stories of faith healers like Dr. Nemes be explained by medical mind over matter? 501 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:07,000 If this was just placebo effect, if it was just temporary, you would find a handful of stories. You don't, you have hundreds, you have thousands. 502 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:17,000 Christian radio host Trapper Jack Keller has no doubt that Dr. Nemes is performing bona fide miracles, something he's witnessed first hand. 503 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:28,000 I have retinitis pigmentosa. I'm legally blind. It's a degenerative retinal disease, but twice in the 11 years I've known Dr. Nami, my vision's been fully restored. 504 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:35,000 Both amazing dramatic moments that certainly got my attention. I haven't been able to see in the dark since I was 13. 505 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:40,000 I get up at 2.30 in the morning to do my radio show and I actually woke up before the alarm went off. 506 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:47,000 I get up and I just suddenly realize I can see everything. I can see the dresser, I see the chair, I see the table, the lamp, the fan. 507 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:53,000 I can see everything and I'm looking for the light source. How can I see these things? It's pitch black, but where's the light source? 508 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,000 There was no light source. It lasted about 60 seconds and then the blackness came back. 509 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:04,000 But for me, a beautiful sign, beautiful sign of things to come and it's my belief that it will come back when it most serves God. 510 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:10,000 But how can someone perform these cures? Where does Dr. Nemes' healing power come from? 511 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:20,000 He's not doing the healing. He takes no credit for it. God does it all. But he gets to be the spectator. He gets to watch it happen. He's the connector. 512 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:26,000 So how does it work? What does Dr. Nemes do at his services? 513 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:37,000 Something happens and it happens over and over again, thousands of times over. I've seen people with MS. I've seen people with blindness. 514 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,000 People who have been told they're going to die of cancer suddenly, literally, in the blink of an eye. The tumor's gone. 515 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:51,000 For Kellerman, Dr. Nemes' healings are part of a tradition as old as Christianity itself. 516 00:34:52,000 --> 00:35:01,000 The healing stories are written about in the Bible. You take them back to Jesus' time and then the apostles were healing. And you realize that it's always been there. 517 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:08,000 Absolutely, there are so many stories about miraculous healings from the apostles. Nothing's changed. Nothing's changed. 518 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:15,000 But why Dr. Nemes? Why is it that he has the gift and not anyone else? 519 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:31,000 I believe Dr. Nemes was put on this earth to help people find their way to God. And God gave him that extra portion of faith. And that faith is being utilized beautifully. Miracles are happening to get your attention. 520 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:45,000 This is an incredible story. But is it just that? A story? Do faith healers hold the power to heal the sick or the dying in the palm of their hands? 521 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:56,000 Do they possess something that science cannot identify, something beyond this world? Or are they less than angels? 522 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,000 And in modern-day miracles, should we take faith healers seriously? 523 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,000 Faith healers are either knowing or unconscious frauds. 524 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:25,000 Thousands of seriously ill people report being cured at the hands of a faith healer. Some say it's a miracle. Others think it's all simply the power of suggestion. 525 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:34,000 Faith healers are either knowing or unconscious frauds. They use various conscious tricks to lead people to believe that they've been healed and they have not been healed. 526 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:46,000 Terrence Hines is a professor of psychology at Pace University in New York. He takes a rational approach to Dr. Nemes' success stories. 527 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:55,000 The patient's own belief that they're going to be cured certainly plays a role. Getting people excited so that they won't feel pain through perhaps endorphin release is another trick. 528 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:05,000 Endorphins are the body's natural painkillers. They're released under situations of high stress and arousal. So the patient will in fact believe, getting it correctly, that they've been cured. 529 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:14,000 Hines has spent time undercover investigating faith healers. He found that in some cases they relied on trickery. 530 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:24,000 We went undercover at a faith healing meeting held in Brooklyn, New York. And about half way through the healing session, an elderly gentleman was brought up on stage in a wheelchair. 531 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:36,000 The faith healer laid his hands on this gentleman in the wheelchair and bade him walk. And this gentleman got out of his wheelchair, walked up and down the stage to grade applause. It was a miracle. 532 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:45,000 But in fact, one of the other members of the team had noticed this gentleman walk into the meeting hall under his own power earlier in the performance. 533 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:51,000 As he neared the stage, one of the faith healers assistants walked up to him and said, Sir, would you like a wheelchair? 534 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:57,000 So this gentleman sits in the wheelchair. 45 minutes later, he finds himself brought up on stage and asked to walk. 535 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:04,000 Well, he can walk. And he doesn't have the power to grab the microphone from the healer and say, Well, but I walked in here by myself. 536 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:11,000 Thus a miracle is performed. At the end of the meeting, the faith healer did something that I find reprehensible. 537 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:21,000 He said, even if you haven't been called up tonight, you're all cured. You go home, you throw away that medicine. You don't need your insulin anymore. 538 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:28,000 You don't need that heart medicine. You've been cured by Dr. Jesus. Throw that medicine away. That's disgraceful. 539 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:36,000 But why would some faith healers set out to do people? According to Hines, it's a profitable game. 540 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:44,000 All faith healers that I've come across don't charge admission to their services. It's free. 541 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:51,000 But during the service, they certainly ask for donations. At the faith healing meeting I went to, I became a volunteer usher. 542 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:59,000 And I was given a collection bucket. Yay big. And I thought, they're crazy if they're going to get this thing filled with money. 543 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:07,000 I was the crazy one. I was pushing the $50, $100 bills and $20 bills down into the bucket. I think I probably cleared about $6,000. 544 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:16,000 Now there were 12 ushers. 12 times 6 is $72,000 taken out of that community in one night. I would call it a license to steal. 545 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:25,000 Because at least in the United States, since they are a religious entity, they are exempt from any and all taxes. So there's no income tax on this money. 546 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:32,000 So yes, it's a license to steal. And at least in the United States, they are probably not in fact doing anything illegal. 547 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:39,000 And I'm not sure they should be. I'm not sure I could not be a lawyer. Could draft a law that would be constitutional and make it illegal. 548 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:48,000 Heinz believes it's easy to hoodwink people into believing they've been cured. To prove it, he set up a demonstration of the power of suggestion. 549 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:59,000 So we have an actor who will play a doctor, a healer, and one of the gimmicks that he has is a neural stimulator. The patient will be told this will reduce their pain. 550 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,000 In fact, the neural stimulator is a classic placebo, a product that does nothing. 551 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:14,000 And what we expect to find is that a number of people, not everybody, but a number of people will say, my God, my pain's really gone. I can feel that. 552 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:20,000 The first volunteer reports a pain in her. Our fake doctor assures her he can help. 553 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:29,000 So I'm going to turn it on. I want you to keep breathing. And when I turn it on, you're going to feel the energy coming out through your head. Okay? Here we go. 554 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,000 Do you feel the difference that this is making already? 555 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,000 Yeah, it feels relaxing. 556 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,000 Phenomenal. Look at that. She's moving it already, right? 557 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:52,000 Yeah. Didn't see how it would work, but actually, like I had a pain like right at the top of my foot and now I couldn't even like bend it, but now it seems to be better. Like I can move it. It doesn't hurt as bad anymore. 558 00:40:53,000 --> 00:41:02,000 Heinz's theory seems to prove correct as volunteer after volunteer are easily deceived by the fake doctor. So much so, he feels it might have been a profitable day. 559 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:14,000 The people who reported a positive change probably would have given it a donation. Not a huge amount because again, they didn't come prepared for that. But yes, I suspect a donation could have been rung from them. 560 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:28,000 So are faith healers conmen who prey on the weak and vulnerable? Or can healers like Dr. Nema channel science defying miracles into alien bodies? 561 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:36,000 Or is it simply that our own minds are so medically potent that people like Julie can heal themselves with the power of belief? 562 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,000 Weird or what? 563 00:41:40,000 --> 00:42:06,000 So there we have it. Three stories exploring the untapped power of the human mind. A woman's paranormal vision helps solve a murder. Can horrific crimes be solved by psychic powers? 564 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:16,000 A Californian man can remember nearly every moment from every day of his life. Can we all one day have total recall? 565 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:29,000 And a faith healer cures terminal illnesses through prayer. Is it a modern day miracle or an awesome demonstration of mind over matter? You decide. 566 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:37,000 Join me again next time for more stories that will undoubtedly be weird or what.